Grey Imports: What Are They, And Should You Care?

I’m regularly asked about grey imports, and I think after 10 years of running the site, it is about time I explained what they are and how they affect you.

What Are Grey Imports?

Camera Price Buster gives you price comparison for “genuine UK stock” photography equipment. This means photography equipment supplied via the UK or EU branch of the manufacturer (such as Canon UK). The equipment is imported into the UK by the manufacturer, sold to shops who then sell it on to you in the UK.
A grey import is equipment that has been supplied by Canon in a different part of the world, for example supplied by Canon Hong Kong to a shop in Hong Kong, and ends up being sold on to you in the UK. This equipment may be purchased by you directly from a shop in Hong Kong (meaning you are importing it yourself into the UK), or it could be imported into the UK by another company and then sold on to you. The key point is that the manufacturer has sold it into a different (not UK or EU) geographic market, and someone else is then importing it into the UK.

Grey imports are normally cheaper, but there are some downsides that you should be aware of – read on for details.

Why Should You Care?

If you buy a grey import, it will normally not come with a valid UK manufacturer warranty. This means the UK branch of the manufacturer would not offer free warranty repairs in the unlikely event of something going wrong within the warranty period (typically one year). You would therefore have to rely on the shop to provide warranty repairs instead.
You will not be able to take part in a cash back or other promotion offered by the UK manufacturer.

There may be other issues such as the manuals being in the wrong language, or the item not having a UK plug. These are pretty minor.

Depending on how you purchase the grey import, you may be liable to pay import duty and UK VAT in addition to what you are paying the shop, and this can make the price considerably less attractive. See below for more on this.

Why Are Grey Imports Cheaper?

Grey imports may be significantly cheaper than UK stock products.

There are differences in the costs of running a business in the UK compared to other parts of the world – labour costs, regulatory costs etc. This includes the costs of providing after sales support, warranty repairs and so on. Companies in the UK will pay different tax rates compared to companies in other countries. When they import the goods into the UK they may have to pay import duties which again will be different in other countries.

There is one important factor that can make grey imports cheaper – or appear to be cheaper: you may find that the prices you see do not include import duty or UK VAT – but you may still be liable to pay these yourself.

Another price factor is that the manufacturer may believe that consumers in Europe are simply prepared to pay more for things, so they make the prices higher than in, for example, Hong Kong.

Import Duty And VAT

If you buy a product from a shop based in Hong Kong, and they send it to you from there, then you will normally be liable to pay import duty and VAT. See this page on the HMRC site for details: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/post/internet.htm
Having to pay VAT on top of the price you have paid the shop, plus import duty and/or handling fees, can make the price of a grey import far less attractive – it is therefore vital to know whether you are importing the product into the UK or not, which means you need to know where it is being sent from.

There are some UK based shops that import the products themselves from outside the EU, and then sell them to you in the UK. In this case the prodcuts should be sent to you from within the UK, and you should not be liable for import duty – and will pay UK VAT on your purchase as normal. As mentioned above, these products can still be cheaper that UK stock, due to the way the manufacturers vary pricing for different regions.

How To Spot A Grey Import

Whether or not you choose to buy a grey import is a personal choice for you. The main point for me is that you should have the information to enable you to make an informed choice – knowing the product is a grey import, and whether you will be liable for VAT and import duties in addition. The problem with many of the grey import shops is that they try very hard to hide from you the fact that they are selling you a grey import. You will normally have to examine their terms and conditions in order to find out about possible VAT and import duty charges, and this is often the only way to work out if they are selling grey imports. Apart from looking for conditions that state you are responsible for import taxes and VAT, also look out for comments saying the products are not eligible for cash back promotions. I’m also cautious when a shop is offering longer warranties than normal – this often is a tactic to hide the fact that you will not get a UK warranty.

In the end though, if the price seems too good to be true compared to the UK prices listed on Camera Price Buster, then you can assume it is a grey import. And as I’ve tried very hard to list as many shops as possible that sell UK stock, you should be cautious about shops that are not listed as the chances are they are selling grey imports.

Is It Worth It?

Weigh up the price saving (taking into account VAT and import duties) against not having a UK warranty, and the lack of cashback where applicable. And factor in the chance of having to use the warranty based on the type of product. You might feel that you want the reassurance of the UK manufacturer warranty on a £500 lens, but not on a £50 lens filter which has no moving parts to go wrong. And if the price difference is not massive then please consider the benefits of supporting UK businesses.

Just make sure you know what you are getting, and use Camera Price Buster as a starting point – but do your own research too.


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14 responses to “Grey Imports: What Are They, And Should You Care?”

  1. Gary Avatar
    Gary

    A few years ago we had a break in at home and lost our camera gear. The insurance company wanted the best deal for them and offered us a cash settlement based on grey imports prices through a UK address. They would not grasp that there was no warranty cover (the argument centred on our gear being out of warranty when stolen). We ended up going for this if we wanted the benefit of the latest models. Fortunately, we have had no problems with the items. It will be interesting to see what happens when we eventually trade them in.

  2. Dingle Avatar
    Dingle

    It narks me that on lenses Sigma gives 5 year warranty in USA but only 3 years in UK!

    If you look at another situation like cars – VW, US citizens will have benefit of real money compensation with the emissions cheating and we in UK are fobbed off by a quick adjustment at a dealer.

    Why double standards???

  3. jeremy moore Avatar
    jeremy moore

    One of the things that you can see from using CPB is that for many “in-demand” items there is virtually no price competition across a wide range of UK suppliers. I’d like to know whether the manufacturers exert pressure on them not to discount; if this is the case, wouldn’t it be illegal?

    Is it any wonder that people go ahead and buy grey imports, despite the possible drawbacks this involves?

    1. Matt Admin Avatar
      Matt Admin

      Yes they do “exert pressure” – some manufacturers are worse than others. Some have even been known to try and force shops not to be listed on CPB (you might think UK branches of the manufacturers would like CPB as it makes a distinction between UK/EU stock and grey imports, but no, some of them dislike the price competition that they think it creates).

      Yes it is surely illegal to fix prices and suppress competition.

  4. Ian Avatar
    Ian

    I have bought 4 items grey imports and 3 where defective items ie they appear to have failed a quality control check ( a check of an item at end of manufacture). The first was a Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 vrII it was about 15% cheaper than a UK lens. When I received it it had been assembled incorrectly so when the zoom ring was turned from one end of the range to the other the lens went completely out of focus as though the focus ring had been tturned from 2ft to infinity.It had been assembled wrong. I asked for a refund within 1hr of receiving it and was told to get it repaired by Nikon.I insisted on refund and evntually got it. The second was a Tokina lens from Hong Kong it was of such poor quality because it had chromatic aberration that was far to bad (another faild quality control item). The third was a Nikon D500 that had a fresnal screen that was ground incorrectly so that it was imossible to see when the camera was in focus this was a new item from Hong Kong and it was clearly again a failed quality control item,Their can be no other explaination. The 4 a Nikon battery was a genuine item has been fine. I got refunds on the D500 and the Tokina but lost the postage.I bought the D500 and D 70-200 f2.8 from the UK and they work perfectly. I am convinced that a lot of the items that are being sent out via Hong Kong all have slight intermittant faults or defects,like Slight focusing issues, battery leekage and other small issues that are being passed of as perfect. Hong Kong is used and the excuse for the cheaper price is that duty ect is being avoided when in reality the items have been obtained from the manufacture at a reduced price as “failed quailty control stock will repair under gtee”. Two of the Hong Kong sellers agreed to refund immediately on request without so much as a “what was wrong” because they knew I think. Stick to UK stock and get on with your photography. If you want bargins go to a market where they sell knock of DVD’s.LOL

  5. John Kelsey Avatar
    John Kelsey

    Have no problem with grey imports but just recently had an accident with a Nikon lens. Tried to contact Nikon repair on line but was thwarted when i could not find the serial number. So i’m guessing i have a fake purchased from a well known on line site. So beware of that pitfall.

    Regards Jf-K

    1. Matt Admin Avatar
      Matt Admin

      The serial number will be on the lens, although it may be quite hard to see. I’ve never come across a fake Nikon lens being sold.

  6. Mark Pilbeam Avatar
    Mark Pilbeam

    As it seemed such a good deal, I bought a Lumix L100 from a company with a UK email address. It turned out that the EVF ceased to function and the cost of fitting a new motherboard to the camera meant that I paid £12 more than if I had bought it from a UK source.

  7. Brian Martin Avatar
    Brian Martin

    I used to think no way to a grey import, but have changed my mind as some of these uk based grey import sellers are now giving warranties which are better than Nikon is offering, ie 3years and transferable when you sell it on.
    I have now tried one of these and had to get repair done by Nikon I was very happy with the service and Nikon had no problem with doing the repair, I would have no problem with buying again from them.

    1. JJ Avatar
      JJ

      Hi Brian,

      where did you buy your camera?

      J.

      1. Brian Martin Avatar
        Brian Martin

        Sorry for delay I bought mine from Panamoz

  8. John Avatar
    John

    Thinking about it a bit more, sadly my means tend to dictate that I look at the sub £500 consumer bodies/ lenses, hence I don’t tend to see much difference. Perhaps the more you spend the more there is to gain? On the other hand if that is the case one would also be increasing the risk I guess.

  9. John Avatar
    John

    “The Canon 80D was announced earlier this year. In the US the RRP was $1199. At the time, the pound was worth 1.43 dollars, and $1199 equated to about £840. But in the UK the RRP was £999. That is a large difference.”

    I believe that in the US goods are advertised without sales tax added in (VAT), therefore to compare like for like and allow for VAT, then it becomes slightly cheaper on paper to buy in the UK at ?£800 or ?1008 in the US if you do it the other way and add the VAT.

    Personally whenever I have looked at Grey imports and added the VAT and and postage in, it normally works out as roughly the same and hence worse value for the reasons you state above.

    1. Matt Admin Avatar
      Matt Admin

      Yes, I see what you mean. I’ve amended the article to remove that example. I believe it is still the case that manufacturers will try to make more profits in Europe than in some other regions by simply making their goods more expensive here, this is common across a lot of industries (“Rip-off Britain” is the phrase that comes to mind).
      As you say, when you add VAT etc to the advertised cost, the price difference can often be minimal and it is not worth it. Sometimes the price difference is big enough that some people will feel it mitigates the downsides to buying an import.

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